To Aru Kagaku no Railgun 19
In a strange turn of events, the ts is missing the last 5 minutes of the ep o_O
As such, there is no 720 raw and we'll be releasing using a 576 high raw first, followed by our usual release tomorrow when MBS airs. The smart people will know why this makes no difference anyway.
UPDATE: HD version out!
Sorry it's a bit late. Here's some 720p goodness. And here's the XviD
Behold, how not to hold your violin:
Comments (321)
Well for one the violin should be horizontal, so she's already doing it wrong. Her wrist isn't straight, she's playing too far away from the bridge (in fact she might be playing on the fingerboard which is a big no-no) and she should be playing nearer to the base of the bow (although she might just be playing a long note, I can't really tell from a screenshot). I'll need to watch the episode if I want to nitpick some more XP
in the end, its a cartoon. LET IT BE =p.
be happy that mazui even allowed you the right watch a high quality sub of theirs in the first place; they didnt have to release this ya know...
(i dont like nitpickers)
Real Force!
and, for the record, @njamunky: any errors would be the original show's fault, and Mazui brought it up in the first place.
Besides, all of this was said in jest; better to laugh along, or you'll just be ruining the lulz for everyone.
720p v2 released sometime tomorrow, if I'm reading this right.
Doesn't matter if it's low res, we still have it :D
I think this would make a better episode if it was aired last, though. It would make a good ending.
That just goes to show how uninteresting these "original episodes" (AKA filler) are. How is all of this supposed to take place in 17 days? I mean the manga's chapter titles are the damn dates the events occur on, you'd think it'd be a pretty easy schedule to stick to. Also there's no way we're seeing the Sister arc this season, unless you think they can cover it and all the required back story and build-up in 5 episodes (not to mention the manga hasn't even covered it completely yet). I don't mind the episodes themselves, I mean they're fleshing out some of the minor characters and they're written by the author of the novels and manga as well, it's just that the Sister arc was what we all wanted to see. I couldn't care less about the dorm mistress and her love life, I want to see Accelerator rip a clone's leg off dammit!! /rant
thanks for the speedy release as usual, Mazui :)
stupidtard how would u explain 720p h264 larger than xvid dumbtard?!
because they both used the same sized raw this time, and xvid is for poorfags who cannot afford a good enough system to play 720p so they have a smaller res+encoding
sadly they're the same thing
What *u　all say? If you otaku, you will know what the different between anime and cartoon..
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*Otaku　= Search in Google and 'google it'...
For the rest of the world, anime is only Japanese cartoons.
They are probably making a second season Railgun anyway. (Maybe even before they make one for Index if the sales continue to be that great :D )
567p h264 is smaller becuz of better compression
and btw anime basicully means animation. but is has taken on a different conotation than it's original meaning. Namely high-quality japanese animation, instead of the usual american cartoon BS.
But i think talking about otaku may be... anyway otaku (ãŠãŸã) not good word T_T
Quote Wikipedia.
"In Japan, the term anime does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it serves as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world. English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan"."
Thats right, americans stole a word from another country. Defined it, used it, and it became part of the language. Years later a person hears word, and they think it most obviously be short for animation but thiis is false, for in truth americans took a foreign word, as they so often do, and applied a new definition to it and used it before anyone had even thought of the idea of ussing the word anime, as a short word for animation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#Terminology
Regardless of how English-language dictionaries redefine the word, it doesn't change the definition of the original Japanese word. Ergo, anime = cartoon and trying to argue differently is tantamount to denying reality.
Have a nice day.
However, we are speaking english (note not necessarily american, I for one am Canadian).
As such, The meaning of a word is either how it is used in common everyday conversation, (many examples by previous posters), or, more rigorously, as defined in a reasonably reputable dictionary, as mr. anonymous has kindly provided us.
To reiterate: We are speaking English, therefore we use the English definition *regardless* of the original japanese one.
Practically every word in the english language started out as a borrowed foreign word, many have quite different meanings by now, and we would get nowhere if we always insisted on the original Latin(or greek, german, french, etc.) meaning for every word we used.
If you are actually serious, It is incredibly arrogant and lazy.
I totally aggree with Samdidliambo, were all currently speaking one form or another of enlgish, which means to say: Were all speaking a language which is a combination of many other languages that were butchered so that the english language would be the most complex language in the world, which provides for the highest maxium number of differnent arrays of possible insults that can be made.
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Words/loanwords.html
One can easily speak English and still use a foreign word with its original meaning (in fact, this is not uncommon within niche communities). Just because you use "anime" solely to refer to cartoons of Japanese origins doesn't negate the possibility for other English speakers to use "anime" to refer to cartoons in general.
Regardless of its usage, however, anime are still cartoons. In general use English (with the narrower definition), they are simply a specific subset of cartoons (in being of Japanese origin). Thus, it is quite appropriate to refer to anime as cartoons... because they are. :P
Wrong. Anime, by definition, are cartoons. Anyone who can't accept that are pretentious effetist that take themselves too seriously. :P
That's not true, I've been watching anime for at least 30 years and it doesn't piss me off to have anime referred to as cartoons. The only people that get their panties in a twist over anime being called cartoons are people that are either insecure about the fact that they enjoy watching cartoons or those that are trying to make themselves feel superior for something so trivial that it's laughable.
And BTW, manga are comic books. You do know that there are manga-ka that love Western comic books, right?
@Suzumiya
I've no hate for anime in the slightest—why the hell would I be here if I hated anime? That makes no bloody sense. I dig anime it (well, most of it at least... there's some that's just crap, but that's true of everything).
And if anyone deserves the appellation of "fanboi" it's the people that have a hissy fit over anime being called cartoons. They're the ones that take themselves way too freaking seriously over something that's such a trifle.
Really, now, why so emo?
Anime is used in Japan to refer to animated cartoons at least originally, yes. I'm not sure if they still refer to western anime as anime still but in most foreign places it is used to refer to a the japanese form.
For example, the french phrase 'cul de sac' is used (in England anyway) to refer to certain roads. In french however it means bottom of bag and in France itself, it has another ruder meaning which will usually causes giggling to ensue when French tourists hear it.
Even wikipedia says: 'The original meaning was in fine art, where cartoon meant a preparatory drawing for a piece of art.'
Would you call the Watchmen comic a cartoon because a cartoon is basically a comic strip? I wouldn't but even if you did, anime is certainly not simply a cartoon. You CAN define it as an animated cartoon in some ways but really it isn't as cartoons are usually short and humourous and lack any real plot. I certainly wouldn't call Miyazaki's Spirited Away an animated cartoon.
If a comic strip is a cartoon then an animated one is an animated cartoon. Therefore anime is not an animated cartoon or a regular cartoon but an animated film or other variant.
btw, anonymous and EC, it doesn't sound much like a real instrument, viola or violin... it's probably a sampling keyboard. some "solo violin" patch which can go way down (for a true violin). you can notice that on attack portion of each notes - they're too homogeneous...
=P
For us people that get annoyed at you simpletons, anime is more than just a general hobby, it is a lifestyle.
I know you probably wont get that, seeing as it is just a "cartoon" to you, but you need to understand that there are people who get much more involved with anime than you do!
Simpelton? You mean because I put anime in perspective and don't treat it like it's fsking sacrosanct? Gotcha.
A lifestyle? Wow. Nothing says "needs to get a life" like calling a mass-produced (and you're in denial if you think it isn't) form of >entertainment< a lifestyle. And you implied that *I* was some sort of fanboi?.
Dude, there's nothing wrong with enjoying anime (or even going to cons and doing some cosplay)... But when you start taking it way too seriously and can't put it into proper perspective you really need to step away for a while.
The works of Shakespeare, Homer, Virgil, Dante, etc. shouldn't command such abject veneration... and they're the subject of study for many scholars. Darker Than Black, for instance, was really great, but it's not the Enuma Elish or Beowulf.
And, actually, I'm quite a fan of anime. Like I said, I've been watching this stuff for at least 30 years (probably longer than you've been alive). However... (and you knew this was coming) ...I accept anime for what it is: Entertainment. Some of it really good (e.g., Nausicaä of the Valley of Wind), some of it complete crap (DBZ comes to mind). None of it deserves the sort mindless fanaticism that you're expressing.
Take a deep breath, grow up, learn some perspective and don't be a weeaboo. Animu is for enjoying, not for worshiping or slitting your wrists to.
Putting anime into the "cartoon" category is basically saying it is the same (no better) than Batman, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Powerpuff Girls etc.
This is a insult to anime fans everywhere and you should feel ashamed.
Also, I have a pretty decent life. I am doing my degree in networking at CPIT, I study Wing Chun Kung Fu and Eskrima... Anime is just something special for me and it seems it isn't for you.
Anyway, peace out.
Well, DBZ, Kiddy Girl-and-, Naruto, *are* in the same category and no better than Batman, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Powerpuff Girls etc. So there's that.
And interestingly enough, there was a Power Puff Girls anime. So I guess the Japanese thought the original American show was good enough to be put into the same category as their anime.
And, no, it isn't an "insult to anime fans everywhere", if it's an insult it's only so to those that show extreme religious fervor to a form of entertainment.
Yes I am a fanatic and proud of it, but anime being my religion, hardly!
I am a Jedi... honestly. I even put it on the census.
Actually no. Making the PPG anime doesn't prove that they thought it was good enough, it means they thought it was so crap they had to remake it. Thanks for pointing that one out dude!
Now, the word cartoon has it's own meaning, it's own history, and in our day, it refers to animated comics and comic books/strip in general. Which in return leads to humourous animation, which leads to entertaining animation.
Disney's movies are also cartoons, are all of them crap? No, actually, a lot of them are large source of inspirations for anime today.
This is your logic to this: Anime does not = Cartoon, because Cartoon = crap and I like anime.
It's like saying that a fish you liked isn't fish because you don't like fish but you liked this one.
Also, admitting being a fanatic, you admit that you are being ignorant and narrowminded.
(PS, The japanese translation for the word cartoon involves "ka-tu-n" "animeshon" And "anime")
Now, that's not to say they aren't a different catagory of cartoons.
Anime is made to also promote sales items, potential 'moe' items. But cartoons dont take it so seriously at all, they just make and fail and flop. Thats about it.
But anime makers .. even if it sucked, they can somehow still sell it as a limited edition moe loot >_
One of the down sides of having a huge monitor I guess :(
Also,'those that show extreme religious fervor to a form of entertainment' reminds me GREATLY of sports (depending where you are, football, baseball, cricket, american football etc). People go mad about all forms of entertainment (Star Wars, musical artists) so what's wrong with Suzumiya loving anime?
Suzumiya never said they worshipped anime anyway and it is just 'something special,' unlike how other things are for other fanatics.
Concerning "you can hardly compare it to western cartoons"
Oh? I already have, but I'll do it again. Anime like Kiddy Girl-and-, Pokemon, DBZ, (I'll leave Naruto out of the list for Suzumiya's sake, even though I don't care for it), etc. all suck just like several Western cartoons that I can't be bothered to think about right now. On the other hand, some Disney's classics like Sleeping Beauty and Snow White are excellent just like some of Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli's works. In the middle road, there some mediocre~good titles like Titan AE (for the West) and Vampire Knight (for Japan).
Really, the mentality that all Western animation sucks is just wrongheaded. Some of it is good, some of it... not so much. The same applies to anime as well, though.
And then there's Western-Japanese co-productions (Like a lot of the cartoons from the 80s). Do the just half-suck? :P
As for "Also,'those that show extreme religious fervor to a form of entertainment' reminds me GREATLY of sports"
Just because the other kids are doing it doesn't make it right. :P I think that sports zealots (college football fans, especially) are nutters, too.
For "Would you call the Watchmen comic a cartoon because a cartoon is basically a comic strip?"
Yes I would. Especially when people get pretentious about it. Watchmen is excellent piece of storytelling and will continue to be so regardless of whether you call it a cartoon, comic book, graphic novel, sequential art or (as the Japanese would) manga. A work of art or entertainment stands on its own merits (or lack thereof) no matter what you choose to call it.
The idea that "cartoon" is some sort of bad, demeaning word is simply stupid. That some people don't like to have their particular type of sequential art/animation referred to as cartoons because they don't want to be associated with some other type of sequential art/animation is effetism at best and basic insecurity at worst. Those of us that are secure in our appreciation for Japanese cartoons (or whatever we choose to fancy) don't feel the need for such pretentiousness.
As for "Suzumiya never said they worshiped anime anyway"
Nor did I ever say that he actually did. I was comparing the way that he was treating anime as sacrosanct and "above" having the term "cartoon" applied to it to religious zeal.
anime rocks
they are not the same
cartoon is for small children and not for
most anime-watchers ages (13-21?)
although there are anime for small children,
its mostly for that age range
plus, anime looks better than cartoon.
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...Thanks, Mazui, for the subs as always...?
1. Semantic. The distinction between "anime" and "cartoons" is entirely arbitrary, and based solely on each individual's personal definitions of the words. Etymologically, I don't think that there's any pertinent difference between the two phrases, but it is true that they have become separated in the popular consciousness. Therefore: if you're arguing the semantics of "anime" vs. "cartoons," please take the time to define exactly what you mean by each word.
2. Qualitative. The real question here is, "true or false: Japanese animation is better than non-Japanese animation." Personally I find this discussion to be stupid on several levels, as is often the case with attempts to make universal truth statements. I mean, no one will deny that some Japanese animated products, such as "Apocalypse Zero" or "H2O," are artistically inferior to some non-Japanese animated products---for instance "Persepolis" or the Russian "The Old Man and the Sea." Japanese animation may be made for a wider range of audiences than most (though certainly not all) non-Japanese animation, but it seems that non of you have even heard of "Sazae-san" or "Shin-chan" or "Kochikame," or noticed just how young Tezuka's work skewed. There also seems to be a general glossing-over of the question of what makes animation "Japanese" anyway: laying aside the fact that modern anime often have more non-Japanese animators than Japanese staff, would you say that "The Animatrix" is anime? How about "Tekkonkinkreet"? Basically, it's a lot easier simply to avoid the silly dichotomy between "anime" and "cartoons" and save ourselves from having to explain away every conceivable "special case" than it is to obstinately maintain that somehow the two things are completely separate and one is better than the other.
In my view, and generally speaking, the Japanese produce more interesting and often more adult-oriented commercial animation than other countries. And I guess that I don't need to say anything else about the matter.
(Should of course read "entirely separate but related," not "connected.")
Carry on.
(I’m staying out of the tl;dr. )
Is the xvid the fixed version, or is that missing the last 5 minutes like the v1?
@Margaan ï½¢Are u Otaku Sensei?!~ But, i like it.. Detail to much.. The differences between anime and cartoon..ï½£
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Anyway, it doesn't matter how much you guys argue, the fact is, anime is not the same as cartoons. Come on Azzy, write another billion words as to why I am wrong, wont change the fact they are different though.
@lake Also, about your 14 year old son... Teenagers are idiots, can't trust anything they say.
@mcgee: I agree. I think the violin's synthetic.
Storylines/Plots
Cartoons usually have a simple and defined plot. And they’re usually about the good guys fighting the bad guys. Cartoons rarely go beyond that old cliché. Most Anime series, on the other hand, are also about the same good vs. evil but the plots are rarely simple and rarely predictable. You’ll find an element of politics, religion, humanity, and a score of several other abstract concepts within an anime. Whereas cartoons are just about ‘evil’ cats chasing ‘innocent’ mice or a hero defending himself and others from a very evil bully. Anime can blur the lines between good and evil so much that you’ll be left wondering which side is really right. Look at the plot of Gundam, there aren’t any good guys or bad guys. They’re both fighting for a cause – a worthy one, and both sides are prepared to do good and evil to achieve their goals. Look at the Wave Country arc of Naruto which is now at Naruto Shippuden. Zabuza, evil as he was, had evoked more sympathetic tears than any of the typical Disney antagonists. There are, however, few exceptions to the ‘cartoons are simple’ rule. There are cartoon series that are far advanced like X-men.
In terms of humor, anime goes beyond the slapstick comedy that cartoons offer. There won’t be any corny joke about the chicken crossing the road with anime. There won’t even be the quintessential banana peal. Anime humor is deep and witty. However, it is to be noted that cartoons are mostly for kids. Anime can be for an adult audience; it mostly is, actually. There are even times when anime plots are hardly suited for children.
Characters
In cartoons, there’s a protagonist, an antagonist, and a damsel in distress. Their roles are well-defined and clear and the characters always act according to their roles. In anime, however, the damsel in distress may very well become the antagonist, leaving the protagonist in distress. There’s no knowing what to expect in anime. Anime characters, a lot of times, are developed overtime through trials and growth, while cartoon characters remain the same from when the show started. (Of course, there are exceptions such as Spiderman.) Since there’s an ongoing plot, Anime characters actually grow up and may even produce the next generation for the series. Anime fans tend to get into the characters a lot deeper because of the characters’ depth and charm. Consider Naruto; viewers see him growing up from an infant to a young powerful ninja, the way he relates to people, the way he learns new techniques, and the way he evolves visually. That is one of the chief reasons for popularities of anime over plain cartoons.
And the Vampire Bund anime is utterly awful.
@CDP5280: Trick question, right? In English, Anime refers to Japanese cartoons...
Having a distinction is good (and I’m all for it), but I disagree that it should be a distinction *from* cartoons, but a distinction as a particular *type* of cartoon. "Cartoon", regardless of how some people here irrationally treat it, is not a bad word and it shouldn't be treated as such.
Also, while you may have a personal bias to feeling that the word "cartoon" conveys children's fare that view is just personal bias and not inherent to the word itself. Also, it's exactly this sort of personal bias that a lot of the older generation of anime fans were trying abolish—cartoons are not necessarily only for children and they're not all low-quality. Heck, back in the 80s when is wasn't so easy to get your anime fix nobody used the term "anime" at all—we simply called it Japanese animation or Japanimation.
As for Pixar & Dreamworks... Many of these "animated films" are marketed towards children and typically don't have the depth of storytelling that we see in the better anime, so they do fall under the category of "cartoon", giver your personal bias of the word. Also, the term "animated film" is used more to differentiate it from an "animated short" than to differentiate it from "cartoons". On top of that, I'm not sure if computer animation really counts as cartoons or not as they're not *drawn*. Of course the lines between traditional drawn animation and computer animation are becoming increasingly blurred, so we may as well go ahead and embrace computer animation under the umbrella of cartoons for whatever it's worth.
@lighto13
Really, that's your (obtuse) personal bias and isn't inherent in the actual definition of the word:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/cartoon?view=uk
@lake
Don't mistake, this "argument" is entertaining me greatly. I find the amount of fan-wank over, as your son rightly puts it, a "stupid word" quite ridiculous.
While I'm having sport with those that are indulging in fan-wanking (I'm looking at you n/a, Suzumiya, MrTRanCeEviL, animeisanime, lighto13 & nikolai131), I still enjoy having the discussion with those that are a bit more rational.
@Margaan
Damn you for reminding me of H20 when I had almost forgotten it! Otherwise, excellent post.
@Ulrezaj
Cool, thanks! I hope you guys are being entertained by this. :D
@nikolai131
See my comment to lighto13. You're making up definitions to suit your own personal bias.
@Suzumiya
TL/DR
@Mazui
Thank you subbing these Japanese cartoons! :)
This isn't a forum...
Thanks again for the ep Mazui!! (and the cartoon/anime + violin hate it entails)
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Yeah, All anime has really unpredictable plots, great character depth and development. /sarcasm off
You do realize your example of naruto, is very poor. First 100 episodes or so = I want to become hokage and for people to accept me. Rest: I want to bring sasuke back!
Doraemon is an anime. ...Where's the character growth? WHAT THE HECK IS THE PLOT!?
By simply looking at some of the sillier cartoons, and making special exception rules for ones that are serious is just silly.
"Read and see why cartoons are as stupid as nothing else existing in the world cause they lack plot and character development in most of them and they include only stupid and cliche jokes that only freaks laugh to them"
For a moment I thought you were explaining the vast majority of anime.
In the end, in Japan, comic books, are manga, whether they are from japan or not, and cartoons, are anime whether they are from japan or not.
PS, I'm still looking for an intellectual comment of why Anime is not cartoon, by definition of the word.
Cartoon means Humorous Illustration/Animation. Humorous is synonymous with Amusing, which is synonymous with entertaining.
EdwardDFMA: None of them work. The server that houses their torrents isn't responding.
anon: Learn not to suck bandwidth. Hell, it might simply be that so many ppl used xdcc, that the server has no more juice to spare for the non-bandwidth suckers who use torrent to redistribute without it costing mazui money in server fees. Go figure.
I have a bad feeling a whole 'torrent vs. xdcc' bullcrap debate will start after this.. but oh well.
Morning!~ GeRo~ GeRo~ (^_^)..
Anime =/= Cartoons. Never has. Never will. To think otherwise is ignorant!
3D animation =/= 3D cartoon. There is a difference.
@njamunky Hu~ hu~ Topic to Hot? Anime! Cartoon!
@Suzumiya Yea.. I agree too!..
@Azzy Thank..
@Mazui GO Go GO!! I still support u all forever.. Don't dead ok..
Thank you the object lesson in irony. Hint: Your comment belies your own ignorance.
Your personal bias is not fact. In fact, your personal bias is at odds with the fact that the definition of the word "cartoon" encompasses "anime" regardless of how much that fact (irrationally) gets your dander up.
So stop being a fan-wanking weeaboo, it's just ridiculous. Anime is not sacrosanct.
Please someone stop this topic!!
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Honestly, no matter how much you try to tarnish the name of anime, it wont make it a cartoon. Just get over it man!
Words are in a constant flux of meaning (for better or worse), so as much as we may like to pin them down in a dictionary, the manner in which they are used becomes the dominant definition of the word - even if it is incorrect by the book. Adult Swim does offer adult oriented shows (not that I particularly like the Squid Billies) but they are overshadowed by an overwhelming majority of shows aimed at children. Thus, at least where I live, the word cartoon becomes synonymous with "children's show". Because of this, whether deliberate or not, it feels condescending when applied to a show that I know is not for children. For example, how would you feel if while reading War and Peace everyone treated it like you were reading Goosebumps? Maybe I shouldn't care, but if I want to share the good stuff I find, there is usually a negative barrier that has to be overcome because the notion that animation = cartoon = children's show. This is a cultural shift and a word has to be used to define the idea equating animation with adult animation (or cartoon redefined closer to it's original meaning). I believe the term "anime" is slowly moving to fulfilling that in popular culture.
Oh btw, http://herpes.deepbone.net seems to be down, hence why the HD (and all the other torrents) can't be downloaded. Hopefully it'll come back soon, or this thread might get very, very long.
http://isohunt.com/download/154829441/923a6de1a5b9e883a1f8857b3377838090c51ea1.torrent
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Anyways... Thanks for the subs, Mazui.
Sorry dude, your esper powers seem to be off. I am actually 22. I know, hard to believe ae, but it's true.
Anime =/= cartoons!
:D
So, When you decide to come up out of your parents basement and have some dinner that your mom cooked for you to keep your 300lb bulk going, maybe you will take the time to think about what a hentai otaku you really are.
This is all entertainment and your lovely ranting and raving have humored me to no end tonight. Now I’ll watch the cartoon show and enjoy a few laughs.
Thanks Mazui, Great work and many hours of enjoyment!
how about this:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/anime?view=uk
Wow dude. You really know how to insult someone while trying to make youself look like a saint. Bravo!
Anyhow, the argument here isn't about my basement, it's about anime not being cartoons. Once you get your head around that, try posting again.
Thanks for the 720p version.
from this point on the conversation is useless, TL;DR nerdrage tbh
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Kuroko: "What is Onee-san~, you look pale"
Misaka: "ohh, I started to feel uncomfortable since i played that violin solo"
Kuroko: "should I accompany you to the clinic?"
Misaka: "No its OK, I feel like somewhere there are people arguing because of that violin solo. It makes me have goosebumps,
Kuroko: "Nah, its just your imagination Onee-san."
later...
Kuroko: "AH, 720p is out! Tnx MAZUI :3"
I've seen people claim "Avatar: the last Airbender" is an anime, even though it's definitely a cartoon...
I've also spent years thinking "Moomin" was a cartoon, only to discover that it was animated in Japan, and thus is an anime...
Style, storytelling and/or quality can't really be used to tell them apart...
One last thing... I'm no saint.
/annimay, annim/
• noun Japanese animated films, typically having a science fiction theme.
— ORIGIN Japanese.
enough said!
Look babe, I know you are no saint. It's pretty obvious. If you had any kind of reading comprehension you would see that I said "make youself look like a saint" not that you are one.
Anyway, anime and cartoons are not the same. They are completly different species. To say they are the same is to say humans and orangutans are the same. It just is not true.
You can try and argue this more, which you most certainly will, but all you are doing is abusing anime :( So sad!
Thanks for the show Mazui!
I also agree that I like anime more than cartoons.But I dont see any reason to fight just because someone used cartoon instead of anime.
So stop the flaming and enjoy the zaping.
The problem is this:
Words HAVE meanings, and there are those who know those meanings (call them group A). When other people (group B) say something that is blatantly incorrect, group A feels a need to correct and educate them. Then group B gets upset because they either don't care that their wrong or don't like to be corrected, and flame wars begin.
I agree the flaming is pointless, but the fact is the meaning of the word "Anime" is different from that of "cartoon", so there is merit to the argument.
Thanks for the release Mazui, loving it!!
Look babe, I know you are no saint. It's pretty obvious. If you had any kind of reading comprehension you would see that I said "make youself look like a saint" not that you are one.
Anyway, anime and cartoons are not the same. They are completly different species. To say they are the same is to say humans and orangutans are the same. It just is not true.
You can try and argue this more, which you most certainly will, but all you are doing is abusing anime :( So sad!]
Totaly rejected as idiotic and pointless. I agree with TK, Grow up.
Thanks Mazui, Great show!
@loth
Let me say up front, thank you for your ability to have a rational discussion.
• “Words are in a constant flux of meaning (for better or worse), so as much as we may like to pin them down in a dictionary, the manner in which they are used becomes the dominant definition of the word - even if it is incorrect by the book.â€
Each year, Dictionariy companies review the definition of words and update them if a word is added or if a new or particular usage of a word becomes widespread or dominant as to stay relatively current with the constant flux meaning and usage. Thus, I wouldn’t discount dictionaries as an authoritative source of word definition and dominant usage.
Also, I think it would be better to combat the (wrongheaded) notion that cartoons are for children or of low quality. This way, it might encourage more Western companies to produce quality, adult animation for a change.
• “I feel that anime -in general- tends towards higher quality than the US market, but this could simply be selective viewing habits.â€
In general, I tend to agree. Again, as with you, this is could likely be selective sampling as I watch far more anime than I do Western animation.
• “For example, how would you feel if while reading War and Peace everyone treated it like you were reading Goosebumps?â€
I’d laugh at them… Goosebumps can’t be nearly as sleep inducing. Also, for the ones whose opinions I would otherwise listen to, I’s suggest to them not to be dismissive without giving it a shot.
@anonymous
Who’s the bigger “tardâ€, he who argues online or he that complain about those that argue online? :P
@faggot
And what, pray tell, is wrong with Mazui’s encodes?
@Invisiblemoose
Apropos of nothing, that a great name. :)
@nikolai131
• “Tell me what ANIME is/means?????â€
Well, in the original Japanese sense, “anime†simple means animated cartoons—whether Akira, Cinderella, Yogi Bear or Beavis and Butthead. In general English parlance, “anime†generally refers strictly to animated cartoons from Japan (but I’ve also see it used to refer to Chinese or Korean animation).
• “And the difference in animation is OBVIOSâ€
Actually, no, Jikap is quite correct: Storytelling and/or quality *can't* be used to tell them apart. Apparently, you’ve only seen a relatively small sampling of anime. As others have pointed out, Doreamon, Shin-chan and other anime are comparable to Scooby Doo, Loony Tunes, etc. are far as storytelling is concerned. As far as quality, Kemonozume, for example, has quite a lot of it—just not the good kind.
@TK
• “This has gone into the realm of absurd.â€
No, this started in the realm of absurd when some weeaboo got his/her knickers in a bunch over someone offhandedly (and without condescension) referring to Railgun as a “cartoonâ€.
Also, you really should stop hiding behind computer screens with no life beyond trying to insult people arguing on line. :P
@chocolatesupra
Please do, I’m sure it’ll turn out splendidly. :D
@LA49
There’s a very basic problem with your analogy. If we were, as in your analogy, to consider anime a species (which I wouldn’t, I’d go for family and call each anime title a species, but I digress) we would not also consider cartoon a species. Instead, cartoon would be a genus with anime being a species of that genus. Cartoon is a broader term that encompasses different types of animation (including anime).
And… Abusing anime? That’s an asinine notion.
As of "CARTOON" ... At first it was used for funny style of art (mostly 1 shot) and for american comics. And now it is used to describe funny style of animation (mostly for children but with exceptions) featuring anthropomorphized animals, superheroes, the adventures of child protagonists and etc.
well, just to say something on the topic, not that i really care bout what other people think, i think everyone can belive what they want, been it right or wrong, it is each one personal truth =P
so, no on the real topic, can anyone download the XviD encode of this episode? it isn't working for me =S
Anime is japanese cartoons, this is how the "white" or should I say early "Americans" adapted it to calling it, in the end they're just cartoons =p
• “The Majority of Anime series is not suitable for kids, but of course they have something for every age groups.â€
Actually, the vast majority of anime *is* marketed towards kids (teenagers are kids, y’know). Also, not all anime feature “characters with large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs, exaggerated facial expressions, brush-stroked outlines, limited motionâ€. Big eyes, small mouths may be predominate, but there are anime that depart from the general style.
• “As of "CARTOON"â€
Here we go again with people making up definitions to suit their own personal bias. Here, have some real definitions:
Oxford:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/cartoon?view=uk
American Heritage (and others):
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=Cartoon
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=Animated+Cartoon
Cambridge:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=cartoon*2+0&dict=A
Merriam-Webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cartoon
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/animated+cartoon
@Cabasho
• “ is like comparing an belgian shepherd and an australian shepherd, both are dogsâ€
Um, no. Like I pointed out to LA49, that analogy fails. It would be more correct to say that “cartoons†are “dogs†and “anime†is an “Akitaâ€, a breed of “dogsâ€. Savvy?
• “i think everyone can belive what they want, been it right or wrong, it is each one personal truthâ€
Which is all well and good, I am perfectly fine with people having their own personal truth on matters like this… Up until, however, they flip out and try to “correct†others who do not share their “personal truth†when their “personal truth†is at odds with the *facts* (as is in the case of people denying that anime are cartoons). At that point, people with their “personal truths†should well expect to have the facts shoved back in their faces.
So, believe what you want—just don’t try to pass it off as fact when it clearly isn’t.
So, since he has modified a word to mean something other than its original intended meaning, does that mean Sizzler's and Long John Silver's should both change their names to "Skipper's," or does it mean simply that someone is using a different word to describe something?
Just because some people use the term "anime" to refer to Japanese animation, does that make "anime" the official term for that style, or does it mean someone is simply using that term to differentiate between styles?
Hmmm...
Hot hot~ GeRo~ (@_@)~
But I have to agree with everything else you're saying though.
@ Jikap
FYI Avatar has never been anime, only insecure, delusional fuckwits call it that
to reassure themselves in the fact that they still watch that cartoon crap
Once again, you’re on the wrong side of the facts. If you actually went back and looked, you’d notice that “n/a†started the whole insults thing (and started the whole thing in general). So, yes, I can talk… and talk I will. :)
So, if it weren’t for n/a, you, MrTRanCeEviL, animeisanime, etc. trying to “correct†others with your *incorrect* personal truth, the monster that is me would never have been spawned to shove the facts back in your face. You only have yourself (and n/a) to blame.
@Lake
Thankfully, I have no shame. :D
@Red
Then I shall dedicate this comment page to you. Cheers! :)
@Thewizardninja
Do you understand the irony of you calling others incorrect when the actual definitions of words prove otherwise?
First, “animated cartoon†is one the definitions of “cartoonâ€â€”which you’d know if you actually read the links I posted. Secondly, again you’d know this if you actually read those links, an “animated cartoon†is “a movie made using characters and images that are invented and drawn†or “a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame†or “A motion picture or television film consisting of a photographed series of drawings, objects, or computer graphics that simulates motion by recording very slight, continuous changes in the images, frame by frameâ€. Wow, sound likes the Lion King certainly does fit the definition of an “animated cartoon†(which is also a definition of “cartoonâ€). Heck, sounds like Railgun (or anime of your choice) fits the bill of “animated cartoon†as well.
And secondly, if you actually looked of the definition of “cartoonâ€, you’d know that it has a far broader definition than the word “anime†(in either the English sense or the original Japanese sense) as “cartoon†also covers still media like comic books/manga while “anime†only covers animated cartoons.
@Harv
Note the word “usually†in that definition—it denotes non-exclusiveness. Also note that the definition of “animated cartoon†also means “a movie made using characters and images that are invented and drawn†or “a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame†or “A motion picture or television film consisting of a photographed series of drawings, objects, or computer graphics that simulates motion by recording very slight, continuous changes in the images, frame by frameâ€.
@lvl80Troll_PriestMan
Who indeed? Perhaps a person with enough literacy to read and comprehend a dictionary would. Not that you seem to fall into that category.
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Well that’s it for this installment. Keep it comin’, though—Azzy needs his amusement at the expense of the ignorant and self-delusional.
Queue up the Sex Pistols… “No future, no future, no future for you!â€
@Mazui Railgun special please~
Let's start another flame war! What is the most controversial, touchy subject.... religion... politics...
GeRo~ （＞。＜）～
"...other English speakers to use "anime" to refer to cartoons in general."
you're an idiot face it.
For someone who is supposedly 30 odd you sure have alot of time to prattle on and on. Fail less plz.
Those fansites that label the whole thing anime (manga too). You know, those "'Sites for anime fans", it just makes the whole thing seem so commercialized,although I'm probably alone in thinking that. I'd rather they called it a site for Otaku than that. Someone should really come up with a word for both; amanga?